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That's sooo cool!

I hope they don't kill Seyran Ates....

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Seyran Ates’ vision of a liberal mosque where all Muslims can pray together — women and men, Sunni and Shiite, straight and gay — is almost a reality, and the 54-year-old daughter of Turkish guest workers in Germany is ecstatic as she enters the light-flooded room undergoing its final touches.

“I couldn’t be more euphoric, it’s a dream come true,” Ates said with a smile as she touched the white carpet that three Turkish workers were laying out in the freshly painted room.

Ates, a well-known women’s rights activist and lawyer, has fought for eight years to establish a place of prayer for progressive Muslims in Germany where they can leave their religious conflicts behind and focus on their shared Islamic values.

The mosque, which opens Friday, will be the first of its kind for liberal Muslims in Germany, Ates said.....

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/16/germany-opening-first-liberal-mosque-where-men-women-and-gays-pray-together/

I really think that's the future for Islam in the West...not sharia for the natives but modernization/reforms for the old cult  and the islamists will hate it!  8)

A female imam without a headscarf...Go Seyran Ates!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyran_Ate%C5%9F

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ruschd-Goethe_mosque
 



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That's sooo cool!

It will be coolly firebombed in no time ... by Martians 

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I really think that's the future for Islam in the West...not sharia for the natives but modernization/reforms for the old cult  and the islamists will hate it!  8)

You are so cute when you are so naive and clueless.


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It will be coolly firebombed in no time ... by Martians 

It's rather funny how you can read a piece of news and already hear an explosion, isn't it? But please, and I mean PLEASE, remember the people who will bomb the mosque in question will have nothing to do with islam (religion of love, peaceful coexistence and profound respect for women).

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Good luck! ...in the nearest few hundreds of years...  :D

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Well...I just happen to believe that Islam in the West will change and adapt in time. It will develop differently, reform and modernize more quickly than the Islam in islamic countries, especially right now in this beginning inner islamic civil war.

A thoroughly westernized Islam is about to be born!

That's the reason why Islamists hate the West so much, not because they expect the soon-to-be-looming islamization of the West (there would be nothing to hate about it after all), but because they have to fear the reforming and the developing of a modern Islam.

Just imagine a West where their muslimic citizens adhere to a tolerant, democratized Islam and what a powerful choice that would pose to the cruel, violent, stone age Islam of Daesh.

Right now the haters of all muslims play into the hands of  Daesh (they prove their anti-western propaganda), but people like that brave woman Seyran Ates on the other hand are so, so much more dangerous to the Islamists...I really fear for her life, her enemies need to silence her!

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Well...I just happen to believe that Islam in the West will change and adapt in time. It will develop differently, reform and modernize more quickly than the Islam in islamic countries, especially right now in this beginning inner islamic civil war.

A thoroughly westernized Islam is about to be born!

That's the reason why Islamists hate the West so much, not because they expect the soon-to-be-looming islamization of the West (there would be nothing to hate about it after all), but because they have to fear the reforming and the developing of a modern Islam.

Just imagine a West where their muslimic citizens adhere to a tolerant, democratized Islam and what a powerful choice that would pose to the cruel, violent, stone age Islam of Daesh.

Right now the haters of all muslims play into the hands of  Daesh (they prove their anti-western propaganda), but people like that brave woman Seyran Ates on the other hand are so, so much more dangerous to the Islamists...I really fear for her life, her enemies need to silence her!
Well, modern Muslims in Europe have birthrates above the level of self reproduction, while European Christians and Atheists - well below that level. So, why do you think Islam serves them particularly bad and that they would want to reform it? Modern Islam passes the test for natural self-preservation.

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So, why do you think Islam serves them particularly bad and that they would want to reform it?

If Islam is so great why are these masses running away from it? To the West of all places, where absolutely EVERYTHING is strange for them...culture, religion, language, customs? They wouldn't run so far if they had an livable alternative near.

People always make their choice with their feet, especially where they don't have a voice otherwise.

The West is so hated by the islamists because of the attraction of our way of living...there would be otherwise no reason to try to kill our people and disturb our societies. They fear us!

Western muslims could show the way out and forward....and they should!

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Well, modern Muslims in Europe have birthrates above the level of self reproduction,

Muslims in Europe are still relatively new immigrants and with all first and second generation (sometimes even third) they belong often to the poor fringe. And poor people breed more than better off people.
Once the integration was successful their birthrates plummet to common western standards. That is true not only for muslim immigrants but a societal behaviour known even from the history of european immigrants all over the world.

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Modern Islam passes the test for natural self-preservation.

What modern Islam? There are some moderate governed muslimic countries, that doesn't mean Islam has been modernized already! They have a long way to go for that....

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If Islam is so great why are these masses running away from it? To the West of all places, where absolutely EVERYTHING is strange for them...
Masses are "running away" from the West too, by choosing not to have children...

What strategy is more efficient for civilization survival - reproduce and move somewhere else, or not to have enough children?
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Masses are "running away" from the West too, by choosing not to have children...

Children are the wealth of the poor and uneducated. The better off people become the fewer children they have, the more resources they use to nourish and educate their offspring.

Once Ukraine becomes a stable, affluent country it's population will shrink too...Once immigrants reach the level of education and affluency of the western natives they too breed less, an observed and recorded development across all cultural and religious borders....now it's quality before quantity.

(There is a thread somewhere on ATP with links to international studies about that topic).

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What strategy is more efficient for civilization survival - reproduce and move somewhere else, or not to have enough children?

Poor parents need lots of offspring to secure their old age...even if their children don't earn much, if many earn a little bit it secures the survival. Not to mention the high death rates because of lacking medical care and just ignorance due lacking education. So it's understandable when poor people have high birthrates.

But these arguments are no longer true for people in stable and rich countries with good education and medical care for all.

Then there is the looming digital revolution where machines and computers will take over alot of jobs.

And not at last, where is the sense in breeding endlessly growing populations? Earth has a FINITE capability to feed us all, that's pure math!

Did you ever watch the Sci-Fi movie "Soylent Green"? A dark vision about how our world and cities could look like if humanity breeds on like this...people EVERYWHERE, stacked one over another, not enough living space or food for all of them with the consequence that a life is worth nothing anymore....thanks, but no thanks!

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Masses are "running away" from the West too, by choosing not to have children...

Children are the wealth of the poor and uneducated. The better off people become the fewer children they have, the more resources they use to nourish and educate their offspring.

Once Ukraine becomes a stable, affluent country it's population will shrink too...Once immigrants reach the level of education and affluency of the western natives they too breed less, an observed and recorded development across all cultural and religious borders....now it's quality before quantity.

(There is a thread somewhere on ATP with links to international studies about that topic).

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What strategy is more efficient for civilization survival - reproduce and move somewhere else, or not to have enough children?

Poor parents need lots of offspring to secure their old age...even if their children don't earn much, if many earn a little bit it secures the survival. Not to mention the high death rates because of lacking medical care and just ignorance due lacking education. So it's understandable when poor people have high birthrates.

But these arguments are no longer true for people in stable and rich countries with good education and medical care for all.

Then there is the looming digital revolution where machines and computers will take over alot of jobs.

And not at last, where is the sense in breeding endlessly growing populations? Earth has a FINITE capability to feed us all, that's pure math!

Did you ever watch the Sci-Fi movie "Soylent Green"? A dark vision about how our world and cities could look like if humanity breeds on like this...people EVERYWHERE, stacked one over another, not enough living space or food for all of them with the consequence that a life is worth nothing anymore....thanks, but no thanks!
1) Population of Ukraine  shrunk from 52 mln. in 1992 to less than 40 mln. in 2017 (after loss of Crimea). So, your poor - rich logic doesn't always works.

2) For now robots replacing humans still remains unproved sci-fi. Manufacturing working places left "rich countries" for "poor countries".

3) Yes, but if people have less than 1 child per family, it doesn't make a self - sustainable civilization either.



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I wonder if they're going to attempt to politicize Islam even further and try to open mosques that marry gays?

Something tells me this attempt at "liberalizing" the Muslim religion is going to backfire and piss off the hardliners even more.
Pinche pendejo!

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Something tells me this attempt at "liberalizing" the Muslim religion is going to backfire and piss off the hardliners even more.

Breathing is already pissing them off.

Yes...mocking, goading, ridiculing, pissing them off is exactly what we should do! YAY!  8)

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Turkey says liberal German mosque 'incompatible' with Islam

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-4625828/Turkey-says-liberal-German-mosque-incompatible-Islam.html

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Turkey's religious affairs agency has expressed distaste over a new mosque in Berlin where men and women mingle freely, saying it was incompatible with the principes of Islam.

Diyanet, which oversees religious activity in Turkey, said that such ideas were in line with projects led by the group of Fethullah Gulen, who Turkey blames for the July 15 failed coup.....

Suuuure...that Gülen again....  ::) How predictable from Erdoganistan....

But, isn't that a nice picture? Must be like a slap in the face of the islamist nutters:



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Men and women mingle at Berlin's new mosque, founded by among others Turkish-born women's rights activist Seyran Ates

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Liberal Berlin mosque to stay open despite fatwa from Egypt

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/25/ibn-rushd-goethe-mosque-berlin-seyran-ates-egypt-fatwa-burqa-niqab

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The founder of a new liberal mosque in Berlin that allows men and women to pray side by side has vowed to press on with her project even though the institution has been issued with a fatwa from Egypt and attacked by religious authorities in Turkey within a week of its opening.

“The pushback I am getting makes me feel that I am doing the right thing,” said Seyran Ateş, a Turkish-born lawyer and women’s rights campaigner, who does not wear a hijab. “God is loving and merciful – otherwise he wouldn’t have turned me into the person I am.”
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Yeah...take that you islamist nutters....in Germany the muslim enlightement has begun! Ates nailed her new theses on the door, so to speak.... (to read about that tiny spark which started a world fire in the history books in some hundred years or so)!


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One religion is needed for one World State. D.Rockefeller would be very happy if he had seen this  ;)

 

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